Category: the Rant Board
First of all! I'm sick of it all! My dad is out there putting his life on the line for shitty people to talk about how sucky our government is. I'm so sick of people talking crap about a life they've never known. How many of you wait by the phone to see if your dad is dead or alive? How many of you try your best to make him proud even thoug you can't do exactly what he does? How many of you are so freaking tired of people taking shit from the government and never thinking what they are doing? Speanding their social security disability checks the first day and not thinking that it comes from tax payers? People who think they are entitled to everything just because they are disabled. I think there should be a draft for all disabled people to serve in our military and see what its like.
Yes, he's deploying soon. I'm joining an FRG, family readiness group, so heopfully it will help. He was finally proud of me when I joined in both auxiliaries. I feel bad that I can't serve like him, but at least I can stand up for what is right. Next time you want to protest a funeral, be thankful for what they did so that you can be so stupid like that. God I hate Civilians who treat our soldiers like total dirt!
Um? Your fury has made you incoherent. Not everyone who has problems with the government hates soldiers; those are completely different issues most of the time. And the title alone is pointless and implies a hatred of Muslims. I'm sorry your father is in such constant danger, but that doesn't give you the right to be a bigot. Grow up.
Civilians have no clue:
Civilian life vs. Military life
Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.
He stays up for days on end.
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You take a warm shower to help you wake up.
He goes days or weeks without running water.
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You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.
He gets shot at, as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
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You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up
with your friends.
He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
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You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.
He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
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You talk trash on your "buddies" that aren't with you.
He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.
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You don't feel like helping out your dad today, so you don't.
He does what he is told.
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You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.
He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
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You complain about how hot it is.
He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his
brow.
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You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order
wrong.
He does not get to eat today.
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Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.
He wears the same things for months, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
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You go to the mall and get your hair redone.
He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
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You are angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.
He is told he will be held an extra 2 months.
He does as he is told.
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You call your girlfriend and set a date for that night.
He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
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You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.
He holds his letter close and smells his Love's perfume.
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You ditch class to go to a movie.
He goes where he is told.
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You roll your eyes as a baby cries.
He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll
ever meet.
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You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.
He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own government and
remembers why he is fighting.
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You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of the men like him.
He hears the gun fire and bombs.
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You see only what the media wants you to see.
He sees the bodies lying around him.
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You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.
He does what he is told.
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You stay at home and watch TV.
He takes whatever time he is given to call and write home, sleep, and eat.
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You crawl into your bed, with down pillows, and try to get comfortable.
He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be woken by
gun fire.
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You sit there and judge him, saying the world is a worse place because of
men like him.
If only there were more men like him
OUR HUSBANDS/WIVES, SONS/DAUGHTERS, COUSINS, FRIENDS ARE OUT THERE FIGHTING AND RISKING THEIR LIVES FOR US!!
PLEASE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!
I can see your point to a degree. I posted a poem on here somewhere called unknown soldier because there was a guy on the bus and he was 18 and leaving for aphghanastan that day and I thought, I will never see this man again. But where you go off is, we don't all take our life for granted, it's not our fault we're not out on the front lines. Just because someone is a savillian doesn't mean they hate the troops. Just because someone is disabled doesn't mean they take their checks for granted. You may not have been going in this direction, but that's what your post implies my angry friend. I feel bad for our soldiers because I know many people don't appreciate what they do. No one can imagine the hell they live through. And I know that because your father is in the military you feel you have the right to get up on this soapbox and rant away, which you do. I mean I hate these wars, I think they're pointless and we went about it the wrong way, and the troops are fighting a nearly pointless battle, but I thank the government for that, it's not the fault of the soldiers. And I'm glad I live in a free country, I'm glad we don't live under a dictatorship but our government doesn't exactly make me proud you know? Anyway, go find that poem, let me know what you think. Kudos to your dad for joining and to you for helping. And calm down. not everyone is an ungreatful slob.
I appologize, I'm just going through so much with his upcoming deployment. The poem is outstanding. Thanks for your support. No, my post is pointed at people that are against what my dad is doing, not all civilians.
You fail to seporate the issues. I'm against the war in Iraq, I believe we went in half cocked with out a good plan or enough probable cause to make it worth while so in that case I'm against your dad and not ashamed of it. Just because I don't agree with the war does not mean I don't respect the soldiers and hope that they may do some bit of good in spite of the government screwing the pooch.
You have no damn clue about the war! You just listen to the bullshit liberal media! How can you support the soldier=s and not the war? They have no choice whether they fight in Iraq! They do what they're told!
Back up your liberal shit with some solid facts and stop listening to the media and think for your selves for once!
see, there you go again. I in fact, am quite libral and think Jared has something. The Iraq war is dumb, there's no point. We're not dissing your dad or saying anything about him being a bad man, Jared just said he respects the soldiers didn't he? The war is stupid, not the soldiers. And you're right, they can't help what they were told to do. If the government tells them to go jump off a bridge, they're supposed to salute and ask, "how high chief?" I thought Jared's post was quite nice, especially for his usual standard lol. Jared has the right idea.
I know you're scared for your dad and proud of what he's doing. And it makes you angry to hear people say he's risking his life in vane. But we all are entitled to our opinions.
May be you should stop listening to whatever source you take your so-called wisdom from and get your head out of your behind for a second and look at the big picture.
It's not just the liberal media, there were no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq was no threat to the U.S. there was no back up plan (which is bad for the soldiers fighting there, because it puts a lot of lives at risk, for no reason), media all over the world reported this, not just what you brand "liberal media" and in your case that's probably everything that does not agree with your extremist point of view (just look at the subject of your post, apart from its spelling, which is a bit on the wrong side), it's people like that that makes me feel more than just a pang of irritation that thousands of my U.S. tax dollars have gone to support the U.S. agenda in Iraq and build swimming pools for the American governor there or gone straight into Dick Chaney's pocket.
I respect the soldiers and I hope everyone of them makes it home alive and that they achieve the aims of creating a stable democracy and a prosperous country out of the terrible mess they made in Iraq, but I don't think the families of the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed in Iraq by those soldiers feel the same way.
Your dad has a choice, you know what you sign up for when you join the army, may be it's awfully selfish of you to sign up for the army and go pranching off abroad when you have a family, some would say so, I am not passing judgement.
And the health care for the soldier who come back is attrocious and something people should be ashamed off, I'd much rather contribute to that than to the thousands of weapons programs that too much money is spent on instead of education, infrastructure and ways of reducing pollution, something that will kill us, army or no army, in decades, most likely (of course no one knows for sure, but the evidence is getting awfully hard to ignore).
The most recent U.S. actions have made the world a less safe place, since they've broken international conventions, held people indefinitely without evidence, now they've set the presidence for whatever country decides to arrest a U.S. soldier that they have the right to d the same, no international standards on humane treatment have lost a lot of their power since the so-called defender of freedom and human rights considers them worth less than the paper they were written on (what a waste of rain forest).
I'm sorry you feel anxious and I wish your dad a safe return, but don't go expect us to all agree with your point of view, that's freedom for ya, freedom to disagree and freedom to take a look at the available evidence and judge for ourselves what it all means.
No no! I am in the auxiliary and we are not taught to jump off bridges! We obey lawful orders. Military members don't just do things thoughtlessly. I believe this war is helping to control terrorism. Yes I am angry and am glad I can vent. Just think you guys about what military families go through before placing judgement.
He has no choice in where he serves god damn it! You all have no fucking clue! He serves to preserve this country's freedom and your right to speak in the way you do!
Stupid asshole liberal fucking civilians! You think its selfish to serv in the Army? Why don't you get off your sorry ass and do something to help make your community better for a change instead of sitting at home leaching off this government you so accuse of being wrong!
And how in the hell do you know what this war is about? Have you been to Iraq? I don't think so! WHere do you get your so called facts from?
If no one fought, we would be speaking Chinese or Japanese and you wouldn't be here right now freely to speak!
Oh, my grapes! You are so frickin' ignorant!
First off, likeing or disliking the government is different from approving of or disapproving of what the soldiers do. Honestly, this war should have stopped so long ago. We should not be butting in other people's governmental situations, and besides that, we're only over there to still oil, while we have our own oil over here. But I guess it's cheaper to steal oil from abroad than it is to drill over on our own continent, right?
Also, you act like American soldiers don't torture or abuse anyone. It is not our fault they are in the situation they are in. And they are not standing up for our rights, at least they wouldn't even have to be doing such a thing if the U.S. could just learn how to keep her hands to herself. The war is pointless and the Bush Administration fucked us over! I don't support the war at all. It should have ended the year before last and we're still over there for what?
Tell me what it is exactly that your father is protecting or defending. By the way we like to invade other people's lands, we deserve to be attacked. I'm not saying I hope it happens, but we are walking on hot flames, thus, we are soon to be burned.
Too, you think soldiers are the only people that have it bad? Look at the economy, for goodness sakes! We are in a recession right now! Many people don't have homes to return to, alarm clocks to wake up to, beds to get into at night, have to go dumpster-diving for food, and have to bathe in polluted lakes, rivers, or streams. The soldiers abroad are not the only people that have it bad, my dear.
Everyone is not ungrateful; you shouldn't generalize. While some people may take their SSI check for granted, others receive it and still can't live off of that. Let's not let our anger force our thoughts to become irrational, eh?
And by the way, the media doesn't always depict soldiers as bad people, of course, they don't want everyone to know the bad things that some of our soldiers do. You need to realize that just because your dad's a good soldier doesn't mean that every other soldier is.
If I've missed anything or stated anything incorrectly, enlighten me.
Thanks for wishing my Dad a safe return, and I respect the rights of everyone to disagree. I just needed somewhere to go because there's not alot of places where I don't represent my dad and the auxiliary when I post, so here I feel I can speak my mind without someone telling me not to post that.
I still don't get the basis of where your facts of drilling oil are supported. Where are you getting this? I think from MSNBC and other liberal media. And yes, there are bad people everywhere. He is defending safety from terrorism. Just think about 9 11 for a second.
I have no idea of what the subject heading of this thread has to do with the issue you are raising. Does anyone know what "Want to Study Freakin Islam for the Rest of your SOrry Lives" has to do with what she is ranting about? Young lady, you come across very illogical and incoherent. There are many people who are studying Islam to join the military and fight side by side with your father in his wars. There are many who are studying Islam to work for the government you are viciously trying to defend. There are many others who are studying Islam to help educate ignorant Americans about Islam as a religion and as a civilization. May be you should think more carefully of the appropriate title for your next rant board.
Yes sir, I understand. I meant that eventually if my dad and units like his didn't fight, we would be controlled by Muslum extremests.
Oh, wow! I created my post later than you made your last few posts, and I think your anger is now killing some of your brain cells!
You have started going off topic. For one thing, we are in the Middle East, not fighting against China or Japan. Neither Japan nor China have even bothered us. And the war is not against terrorism, we just want oil and the government got bored and said, let's start a war! We are so gonna get our asses kicked! We are messing with bee hives that we hadn't even created or bred the bees for.
And so much money is being wasted on this futile battle some choose to call a war. We could be using this money for much more valuable things, like Wildebrew said.
And no one needs to have a personal and direct idea of how the war is in Iraq. It's terrible that the government is choosing to waste such a significant amount of American lives and blood.
I think you guys all need to go read websites from a soldier's point of view and not just stick to one side. Seems like everyone is totally extremely liberal on this site.
My referance to Japanese and CHinese has to do with World War I and II and if soldiers never went to war, we wouldn't b free, because freedom isn't ffree.
If you respected our rights to disagree, you wouldn't lash out at us with such immaturity. If no one fought, we would be speaking Chinese or Japanese and you wouldn't be here right now freely to speak? What the hell kind of sense does that make? I agree whole-heartedly with Raven that this war is pointless and the Bush administration started it for their own personal gain. I can't wait until our new *liberal* government makes significant progress toward stopping all the madness. But as Cala said, that does not mean that I hate soldiers. And what about the innocent Iraqi civilians that Wildebrew mentioned? I have an Iraqi friend who lives right in the capital of Baghdad. I learn from her of electricity going off several times a day and buildings exploding blocks from her house. Each time I talk to her, there's always a chance that it will be the last time I do so. Does she deserve to live such a life? I hope your father makes it home, but your pain does not give you the right to say the things you say, therefore my sympathy will not be spent on you.
I have just as much right as anyone else here to say what I want to say! I am sorry for your friend, but innocent civilians getting killed is just life and the military can't avoid that.
Wow, and we're the ones who are brainwashed? So the fact that your precious military can't avoid taking the lives of innocent men, women, and children makes it right? Fine, you asked for it: the same thing could be said for the soldiers. When they get killed, it's just life, an unavoidable fact when you're fighting a war, no matter how pointless it may be.
War is war and people die. We shouldn't have to fight, but we do what we have to for freedom.
Wow, you are, by far, one of the most ignorant people I've ever met. And I've met some very, very ignorant people. Maybe when the Obama administration fixes some of what has been done to this country and all the senseless murder stops overseas, you'll realize how much of a puppet for the military you've been
Hahahahahahaha! You're a puppit for the Obama administration aren't you!
This war is not for freedom, you idiot! We are not fighting for anything. We're basically just pouring precious dollars into a pointless war. The Iraqis are the ones fighting for their freedom, not us.
I don't feel sorry for either you or your father. I cannot believe how close-minded, illogical, irrational, ignorant, and immature you are!
And what's so wrong with liberalism, may I ask? What do you have against liberalists? What have they done to you?
You damn liberals are the ones that spit on my Dad and other soliders and call them baby killers. I don't feel sorry for you either and one day maybe you're realize how immature you really are.
First off, soldiers do kill people, whether they be babies, elderly folk, middle-aged adults, teens, and young adults. Also, soldiers rape and beat women and men. I'm not saying our soldiers are the only people that do this, nor am I saying that all soldiers do this. But I am saying that there are quite a few soldiers who do.
You act like the military is doing everything right for this country when it's really getting us in deeper trouble.
CIvilians rape and kill just as much as soldiers. Maybe even more. No, I'm not saying the militery is perfect, but they do what they believe is right to keep this country safe.
well hey, if a few babies get killed in the name of freedom, that's just life right? The millitary can't help what they do...
If they're in the way, then they're in the way! Its not like they purposely seek innocent people out to kill!
Fine, remember that if your father is ever *in the way* of someone who is fighting for their country's freedom.
I bet you guys wouldn't have the balls to say all this liberal crap to a soldier's face now would you.
Anytime.
I totally agree with Becky.
And you're right about civilians committing just as much crime as soldiers, but then why do you side with soldiers and not civilians?
And it's not that anyone is in the way. If anything, we're in their way. We should not be over there. We are causing more destruction and hell over there.
Think about how long ago 9 11 was, then think about what year this is. We already took over all their women, children, gas stations, oil, and much much more! What more could we possibly want?
Aah, entertaining. Funnily enough I believe the Japanese have pretty much the same freedom to speak as people here do, the Chinese are a different matter, but since when have we ever fought them. Just because one war was truly a war for our freedom against a nation that attacked us directly, does not mean all wars are. If you justify current wars with past glories, the Arabs can d the same, they preserved most of the knowlwedge f the Romans and the Greeks whilst Europe was going through the dark ages and we learnt it from them, therefore they are really the champions of knowledge and democracy, because they kept the ideas of emocracy alive, they can claim that.
And why would a soldier fighting know the big picture better than a reporter who talks to thousands of people, read hundreds of pages of stories and points of view, knows the history of the area and understands the context of the big picture. Some soldiers have been heroes, many have been, but others have needlessly tortured civilians (Abu Grape, no wait, that was a lie set up by the liberals wasn't it), and I still have less sympathy for soldiers (of any nation) who are equipted, trained and sign up for battles and wars than civilians who are simply trying to live their lives in peace when the soldiers barge in and kill and destroy their livelyhoods without any cause, then they add insult to injyry by telling the cilivians they did it for their own good, leave them to bury their children and tell them to clean up the mess.
The Iraq war has nothing to do with American freedom and I bet you you don't know the first thing about Islam (I admit I dont know nearly enough, and I aim to read up on it more to understand where these people are coming from). May be dialog and understanding does more to solve problems than guns and airplanes. And whilst you criticize the social security recipients, what of the army, where do they get their money from? Wait, from tax payers, that's where, and that money, instead of being used to do something good, is used on developing guns that can shoot 3 million bullets per minute instead of the 2000 or whatever we have now, for freedom obviously (note, do not take the statement literally, it is simply an illustration of the general principle with a generous dosage of exaggeration).
Suffices to say that if all of the army is made up of people with your mind set and point of view, I really hope the army won't prevail anywhere, leastof all back home.
We're waiting patiently for you to come up with any sort of facts instead of incoherent ramblings, but that's perhaps too much to expect.
We've all wished your dad a safe return, we've al expressed that our disagreement with the war is not criticizm of the U.S. soldier in general, and you happily choose to ignore all that and call us "liberalists", don't know if I should be insulted, since liberty means freedom and freedom is what you claim your dad is defending, are you than saying that your dad is fighting for something you hate?
Oh, I'd say it to anyone's face I chose to. I give a crap about the soldiers! They're not helping me with anything and they're just putting me and my peers at a higher risk of getting hurt. If they wanna come over for tea and cake and have a debate, bring it! I'm not afraid of dying, so I'm not scared of your daddy or any of his military friends.
I am laughing so freakin hard! You all are such idiots and uneducated!
The main reason for the War was to Remove Suddam and his counterparts.
My brother was in Iraq, supposedly fighting for what he believed in and 'trying to make our world a safer place to live'. And yet, somehow, I still find this war disgusting. Call it liberal crap if you want, whatever will make you feel safer about staying in your comfortable little cocoon while innocent people are being murdered and families are torn apart. You said to think about 9/11 for a second, but I think you should practice what you preach. Think about what we're doing to the Iraqis for a second, 9/11 all the time. Arguing about the soldiers aside, they're living with the same fear and pain and loss that you associate with 9/11 and no justification you have could make that right.
You are a very ignorant girl. If they're in the way, then they're in the way? What the fuck? That's a horrible, horrible attitude to take. I understand the fear for the life of a loved one and how angry it's making you to see their beliefs and values attacked but honestly, war is never worth it, we're not doing any good over there. They don't need our so-called help. The way you lash out with childish insults and keep repeating the same brainwash statements isn't helping your case at all. Not everyone is going to have your same zeal for violence and bloodshed, and just because they express their disagreement (and much more maturely than you've done, by the way) doesn't make them all liberals. You assume so much about everyone here without knowing a thing about them. Take a deep breath and a step back and stop making yourself look so stupid and defensive.
Also, I wouldn't just attack a soldier for what he's doing unprovoked, but if it came up or I was asked, I would absolutely say these things to his face. It has nothing to do with any kind of grudge against the individual person, just with war and what they're doing in the name of freedom and justice and, oftentimes, God.
haven't there been reports of an american soldier who raped then shot a family? How can ats like that be called anything but warcrimes?
While everyone has wished your father the best, and a healthy return from active duty, will you still think he was simply in the way, if someone he's pitted against wins the battle, and he is sadly killed? will you think he was simply in the way if he's killed by other American troops, as has happened for so man, killed in what is known as blue on blue fatalities. or is it simply that you feel anyone in the way of a soldier is simply a sad statistic of what war is about? how would it be if he were to be fighting in Afghanistan where it is said that in the day, if the afghan women were to get hold of you, you'd be tortured have your skin slowly pealed from the body as you were hung over a fire, not simply killed outright, would he again then just be in the way? simply think more carefully before you allow such dribble to splash forth from your lips and fingers. If you can give your views in a more sensible well thought out manner, people will respect you, not just your father for fighting for what he believes in. Remember, anyone who signs up for the military is doing so, knowing, and believeing that he/she is willing to give their life in active duty in the defence of whatever their superiors should demand of them.
That is why I am so proud of him because he is willing to do what ever it takes to get the job done. I would die for this country with everything I have if it means preserving our freedom. I'd step on a bomb for his unit if it meant no one had to die.
I think it's very easy for any of us to sit here and say we would do something like that, but I doubt many of us actually come if we had too. you know you'll never be asked to put your life in danger as you're more likely to endanger any troops around you. so saying you'd step on a bomb, is mostly worthless, you don't even know if you can do something like that. Often troops who've been through training physically shit themselves when the moment comes that they have to fire at a living person, when the time comes they're fired at, so your words are pretty meaningless in those terms.
I wish you all the best, but I'm through with this pointless crap. I know what I would do, and you will never know what it is like to have a loved one deployed until you experiance it. Thanks for the lively debate.
So you give up? And just because no one agrees with your main points? Yeah, you'd die for this country for sure, and with all the honor, grace, and courage in the world! Right? Hah! You're a joke.
You would be just as fearful as any other soldier out there. It's not easy to kill a person, and I've heard this too many times to count. You'd feel anguish and guilt for killing innocents and tearing families apart.
I can't believe you're so heartless. Everyone else can kiss your ass and die, but as long as the soldiers survive, everything will be all right?
No, just don't want to waste anymore time on this. I choose my battles.
Sadly the people that are the most vocal in their disapproval of the military are the ones getting the most benifit from it. All you can do is try and point out that their ability to speak their mind (freedom of speach) act as they wish with in the confines of the law (in America that covers pretty much anything except, murder, rape and robbery) is due to the US military and the millions of service men and women that have served and many died to keep those freedoms.
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it is accepted now that if bush had waited4a few more days, that hants bliks would hav found conclusive proof sadam had no wmd.
Interesting points you guys. In my history classes at university, we do this, let's take it from this, what would have happened if we wouldn't have gone to war? What do you think the world would be lke currently? WOuld it have changed in a good way or staid the same? What do you hink?
What if we would have had a different president? How would America be better today?
I'd just like to point out I'm not a liberal, I don't support gay marriage, I think everyone should be able to own hunting rifles and hand guns if they have a clean record, I believe in most cases fiscal restraint and letting the market run with as little regulation as possible is the right course of action, etc etc. I'm not a tree hugging wellfair handing out panzy liberal!